Offences Against Gaia and Man

Posted: April 12, 2012 by veeshir in Filthy Hippies, Funniest End of Civilization Evah, Green Goofs, Liberal Fascism, Nanny State, This Is My BOOMSTICK!

Ayn Rand and Robert Heinlein are probably kind of embarrassed wherever they are right now, even they didn’t have a low enough opinion of gov’t tools/busybodies to have predicted this.

The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) enforced nearly $500,000 in fines and mandatory “environmental projects” on a school bus contractor for “excessive idling,”……

The inspector observed some buses idling for close to two hours before departing the bus lot to pick up school children,”

Seriously? There are people out there whose job it is to check bus idling times?

One thing I can’t figure out. When I was a kid I saw a semi idling for a long time so I asked the driver why he was doing that. He told me it was cheaper to let his truck idle than to stop and start it. Since fuel is one of the major costs for a bus company (probably after insurance), wouldn’t they voluntarily do what is cheapest?

This makes me laugh

State rules limit idling to three minutes in Connecticut and five minutes in Massachusetts and Rhode Island, where the infractions occurred.

3 minutes. Why 3 minutes? Was that scientifically derived? Did they do tests and discover that diesel engines use more fuel to idle for 3 minutes than they did to stop and start running?

Sorry, I just like to make myself laugh every now and then. We all know it was some arbitrary number pulled out of some tool’s ass. At least they didn’t outlaw the thing on the seat-shoulder that goes up.

Just in case you’re wondering, yes, it’s For The Children ™.

“Children, especially those suffering from asthma or other respiratory ailments, are particularly vulnerable to diesel exhaust. 

Yup, I’m sure there is all kinds of science to back that up. Wait, I mean I’m sure they didn’t do any studies, it’s just Common Sense!!!! (of which a person who is paid to check bus idling times has none).

I like this part

The federal agency claims a bus whose engine is running while stationary consumes about one-half gallon of fuel per hour.

I call bullshit on that. Does one of our 4 readers drive trucks or is knowledgeable about trucks? Is that true?

I like Pennsylvania, it’s too bad they have Philly.

with the city of Philadelphia setting the maximum allowable time for diesel powered motor vehicles at two consecutive minutes.

They’re much more priuos than those 3 minute states!

But of course, California has to go that extra mile

Also referenced is California’s 2003 anti-idling regulation that bus drivers must to turn off their vehicle within 100 feet of a school and must not turn the bus back on more than 30 seconds before beginning to depart – or face a minimum penalty of $100.

Heh. I guarantee you that causes bus drivers to waste far more fuel than anything else. Think of a line of buses waiting to leave a school ground and all of them having to shut off their engines and start them back up as they’re trying to leave if they have to wait more than 30 seconds to go.

Remember folks, Green Science is neither.

Via Doug Ross’ Larwyn’s Lynx, a great resource to depress you in the morning.

Another gun for BAG Day week. This one is my first “favorite gun”. That’s my father’s old squirrel gun. It’s a Savage .22/.410. I went squirrel hunting with him from the time I was around 7 or 8 and I’ve always loved that gun. I was afraid he was going to give it to my brother (who would sell it as soon as he left my father’s house as he did with my second “favorite gun”, my father’s ultra-cool Remington 16 gauge), but he gave it to me a few years ago.

That’s my coyote gun now, I have some 000 buck shot loads.  There are a bunch of coyotes running around here and I’m worried they’ll find Kagogi the Destroyer as tasty as the Koreans do and if anybody’s eating that dog it’s gonna be me. Coyotes will ruin the fur so I won’t be able to make a fur jacket.

  1. AndyN says:

    “…with the city of Philadelphia setting the maximum allowable time for diesel powered motor vehicles at two consecutive minutes.”
    I can guarantee you that there are thousands of people a day in Philadelphia who, if they’re not at a dead standstill, move no more than a car length in two consecutive minutes. It stands to reason that one or two of them are probably driving diesels. Maybe the answer to the city’s financial woes is having traffic cops walking up and down the Schuylkill Expressway during rush hour handing out tickets.

    And speaking of Philadelphia…
    “Seriously? There are people out there whose job it is to check bus idling times?”
    Philly L&I used to have people hang out in the parking lot at Home Depot on weekends and if somebody was leaving with a particularly large load of building material follow them home to see if they had a building permit. I’m not even a little bit surprised that the same kind of people make policy at EPA.

  2. Goober says:

    The old yarn about saving fuel by letting your rig idle is total BS. If you plan to idle for more than 1 minute, you are money and fuel ahead to shut the rig down rather than let it idle. There have been numerous studies on that one, and the fact is, letting your rig idle to save fuel is a net loss. The reasons truckers let their trucks idle are myriad*, but if any of them do it to save fuel, they are morons.

    That being said, this isn’t always practical. For instance, in areas where it gets really cold, you want to keep the engine running so that you can have heat inside the bus. That, my friends, is better “for the children” than worrying about them inhaling some particulate carbon, which they’ve never found to cause any harm to anyone, ever, other than in studies where they say “the carbon in the atmosphere is higher here than there, and the people here die on average 1 year sooner thant he people there, so the particulate carbon must be the cause” without considering other socioeconomic causes that would make sense – folks living in a more polluted area will probably be lower income, who, on average, are also likely to die earlier because of a million different reasons other than particulate carbon.

    And yes, the half gallon of fuel per hour is roughly accurate for a medium duty diesel engine like they use in a school bus. Maybe a touch high – it is probably more like 1/3 gallon per hour, but they are close enough. In all, the total particulate emissions from one gallon of diesel fuel are pretty minimal, and even IF we accept 1/2 gallon per hour, that’s all that idling bus did. Keeping in mind that these buses get 4-5 miles per gallon, and have as much as 40 mile routes, they aren’t cutting back on fuel and emisssions much by cutting the idle times (in one 40 mile route, a bus will burn ten gallons of fuel).

    *Turbocharged engines like a cool-down before you shut them off – a couple of minutes. Also, in winter, truckers need to stay warm, and in summer, cool, so they idle the engine for the heater or AC.

  3. Berta says:

    There’s another issue to the ildnig problem that most kids and adults don’t consider or see. Middle schoolers and high schoolers aren’t waiting at the stops when the bus arrives. My son is outside waiting on the bus. We’re one of the first stops, and we’re back off the road, surrounded by trees. So we make sure we’re waiting on the bus, or on the way to the bus, so it doesn’t have to wait on us. No matter what the weather, and it does get cold (20 degrees) and wet somedays. However, many kids with houses close to the road wait inside their houses until the bus has stopped and honked for them. The bus idles and waits while they stroll slowwwwwwly out to the bus. It’s the I’m king of the world because I’m a teenager syndrome. The bus comes earlier and earlier for the kids on the start end of the route to accomodate the strollers. I’ve sat behind the school bus while it waits on these kids. Not only is it annoying and inconsiderate, but 15 minutes of wasted gas and air pollution every day on the bus route. How much is that costing us?

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