About the way forward for conservatives

Posted: February 8, 2014 by socklessjoe in Brevity etc., Conservatism, Notes on the Revolution, Op/Sped

Presenting this link with essentially no commentary other than to also point you towards Ace’s recent post on the Tea Party.

Arthur Brooks of AEI on “a conservative social justice agenda“.  (And the aforementioned Ace post.)

Looking for some freestyle commentary from the readership here.

  1. veeshir says:

    The problem with Ace’s post is the problem with many articles and posts about the Tea Party, there is no Tea Party.
    There are only tea partiers.

    I won’t speak for others, (see above sentences) but a few years ago I had high hopes we could do something useful but the establishment types who call me a racist because I want the laws of my land to be followed, who think 1 $trillion deficit every year is not a problem and who act as if a $23 billion “cut” in the increase is good enough have shown me the task ahead is going to take longer than we have.
    Tens of millions of people think they’re owed my money and they’re not going to stop demanding it easily.

    As for the second article, I can’t take it seriously.

    When I see buzzword bingo on the first page, no back up for their assertions (Research shows that four values are integral to a well-ordered and happy life: Faith, family, community, and work. for instance, how about a link to that study?) and they have “social justice” in the title well, I can see a waste of my time coming.

    I will respond to this from the commentary mag essay you have to click through to,
    When wealthy liberals attempt to demonstrate their own charitable bona fides by insisting that taxes should be raised, conservatives seethe. It is easy to be generous with other people’s money, …The American conservative’s reluctance to articulate a social-justice agenda of his own only feeds the perception that the right simply doesn’t care about the less fortunate.

    Only if you accept Minitrue’s spin on “doing good”.

    The whole article begs the question that we need the gov’t to do everything that should be done.

    And that’s not a question I am happy about seeing America being beggared by.

    • veeshir says:

      Shoot, I meant to do italics for the quotes only bold my comment at the end.

      The bolded part that starts with “When wealthy liberals…” is from the article,

      the bolded part that starts with “The whole article begs…” is mine, I bolded it for emphasis.

  2. Mob says:

    I’m so burned out on politics right now that this will probably come across as mostly negative. I don’t have a lot of hope at the moment, so I don’t have many constructive ideas on how to fix things. If I’m honest, I probably don’t think things are fixable. Not when you are relying on the general public to vote to fix things.

    The FSA is too large. As long as politics is focused on giving things to people in return for votes, the FSA will only ever grow.

    “Conservative Social Justice Agenda” reads (to me) as “Let’s give people what they want so they’ll vote for us. We just need to convince them that what they want is in line with our values.” The problem I see with this is that in order to get to the end point of having people voting for our values because it gets them what they want/need, you have to reinforce the idea that voting/the government is about giving you what you want/need. Also, you have to convince them that what they want/need isn’t just handouts. Personally, I think that last part is going to be the failure point every time.


    “Politics in turn, is a debased form of political philosophy, because now it is heavily influenced not just by the idea of The Good but by what a rough majority of people, or important constituencies, want, whether that represents The Good or not. ”

    Once again, the suggestion is to cater to what people want. Unfortunately, as Ace says, what people want isn’t always The Good. The more we reinforce the idea that politics and government are here to give people what they want, the harder it is to convince people that they should vote for The Good instead of what they want. This applies to all constituencies, not just The People. The FSA is made up of more than just folks on welfare.

    Since the FSA is so large, it is the FSA that must be convinced to vote against their own desires. Knowing how hard this is to do even in short-term day to day scenarios, I have no hope that it will be possible on a scale needed to reverse the course we are on.

    The only way forward I see is for the size of the FSA to be reduced. None of the ways I can see this happening are pleasant.

  3. Leonard Jones says:

    The very fact that someone from a supposed conservative organization is using terms like
    “Social justice” is evidence that we are losing the battle. When we are being told to adopt
    the liberal agenda, it is time to bend over and spread our ass cheeks. The only problem is
    that the Johnson we are about to feel comes with a 40 grit sandpaper condom!

    And the name of the condoms is socialism.

  4. socklessjoe says:

    I’m not exactly sold on this, but I still get the feeling that there’s something there.

    The Conservative Social Justice agenda (jeebus, just typing that is making my fingers itch) is an acknowledgement that we’ve allowed the left to define Justice in a Rawlsian manner, and have done so unchecked for generations. It’s an acknowledgement that we’re losing, or perhaps have already lost, the culture.

    I point to Ace’s post because (1) I strongly relate to being a TPINO, and (2) some message adjustment is necessary in order to actually accomplish anything.

    There’s been a long debate or push towards training Tea Party/base groups to better brand/message, and it’s had very limited success. And yet, what they’ve been doing hasn’t really worked very well either. A wholesale re-orientation seems necessary.

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